• Brazil - Financial Crisis

    10 Reasons Why Brazil Will Become A World Super Power

    I have now lived in Brazil for close to 7 years. I have married a Brazilian woman, and I have two children, one which was born in Rio de Janeiro. So I am very embedded in Brazil, but I believe that I can state in an unbiased manner why I believe that Brazil is set to become an economic super power. When I look at the facts, it is a stark and scary difference to compare the fundamentals of the American economy with that of Brazil.

    1. No wars or enemies

    Only 25 years ago, Brazil was a military dictatorship. But since that time, Brazil has avoided military conflict. This of course is in stark contrast to the United States, where we manufacture reasons to go to war (weapons of mass destruction).

    2. Made in Brazil

    By and large, Brazil’s trade policy has been protectionist. Still today, many conveniences of American modern life are either non existent or very expensive. One area where they could improve greatly is in technology such as computers. Computers are still very expensive in Brazil and hence internet adoption and basic computing skills lag behind other developed nations. That said, the upshot of this policy is that Brazil produces almost everything it consumes. A great example are cars. Cars are affordable in Brazil, and I would say that 90% of the automobiles in Brazil are made in Brazil.

    Contrast this with the United States. If you want to buy a vase or a cutting board, they are all made in China. All of the basic commodities of life in Brazil are manufactured and consumed internally.

    3. High interest rates

    As I have stated, I am truly afraid of the American economic system that now has interest rates pegged at zero. I believe that the countries that have the highest interest rates will fare the best during the economic melt down. High interest rates also encourage savings rather spending. Furthermore, high interest rates can be lowered to provide an economic stimulus for the economy.

    I have been very fortunate and have been moving down large percentages of my savings into the equivalent of Brazilian T-bills. When I first purchased my apartment in 2003, interest rates were sitting at 20%. Since that time, it has dropped to 13% in 2008 and 9% in 2009. That said, I am much happier making 9% on my money here in Brazil than 0% in the United States.

    4. Natural resources galore

    I am astounded with the naturals resources in Brazil. Brazil is a huge land mass that is actually larger than the 48 continguous states of America. On this land is incredible wealth. Brazil is the largest exporter in the world of wood and one of the largest exporters of copper. But it does not end there. The number of fruits and vegetables in Brazil are astounding. Just going to the super market for an American is confusing because they have everything that American’s are accustomed plus so much more. I have just finished doing a bunch of Googling, but could not find anything. I would bet however if there was an index to measure the natural abundance of a country, Brazil would be the winner.

    5. No natural disasters

    In the United States, we all pay more for insurance because of natural disasters. In Myrtle Beach, it is for hurricanes, in the mid-west for tornadoes, and on the west coast, for earthquakes. Brazil has no natural disasters. There is some small amount of flooding in some areas but that is it.

    6. Lots of water

    In addition to all of the natural resources, Brazil has an abundance of water. It rains in Brazil a lot. In some parts of the United States such as California and Nevada, water will always be an infrastructure concern. In Brazil, none.

    7. Oil aplenty

    Off the coast of Rio de Janeiro, one of the largest oil finds was discovered. It will take years to drill, remove and distribute this oil, but Rio de Janeiro is beginning to feel like a boom town. All the major oil companies in the world are establishing operations here in Brazil. The Brazilian PetroBras is positioned to catapult into a top tier energy provider during the next decade.

    8. Leading producer of alcohol

    Brazil is also the world’s largest exporter of ethanol. As long as I have lived here, Brazil has always been energy independent. More importantly, all of Brazil’s cars are manufactured to burn both ethanol and gasoline. Furthermore, the country’s infrastructure is already set up so that all “gas” stations handle both alcohol and gasoline. Note: ethanol is always about 30% cheaper than gasoline.

    9. Government runs a surplus

    The United States is so upside down, it is painful to watch. The trade deficit plus the federal deficit will be enough to sink the United States. On the other hand, Brazil is running a surplus on federal spending and also on trade.

    10. Infrastructure

    I am not very traveled throughout Brazil, but I recently visited Goiânia and Anápolis, both north of Rio de Janeiro. Goiânia has a metropolitan population of around 2.2M which makes it roughly the size of Pittsburgh. I visited the city and it is full of life, shopping malls, and it is a world class city. I also visited my wife’s home town of Anápolis, which has a population of 320,000. Much smaller in size, but again a city that is well developed. Brazil has a lot of the infrastructure to grow substantially in the decade to come.

    Conclusion

    Brazil is not without its problems. Government corruption is documented in the paper almost daily. The gap between the rich and the poor is the largest of any developed country. This results in higher violence levels in Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo. However, I believe that Brazil will grow and prosper despite these inherent problems.

    23 Comments on “10 Reasons Why Brazil Will Become A World Super Power

    1. Having spent a fair amount of time in Brazil myself Robbie, I couldn’t agree with you more. It isn’t a perfect country, but Brazilian people are born built within themselves, a resiliency forged from almost constant disappointment over the years in their government and the corruption they have seen. They are starting to figure out that this toughness has allowed them to move ahead of the rest of the world in so many ways. Brazilians know how to live life to it’s fullest in spite of adversity. They party and comingle together with a great sense of pride in their country. The Olympics are about to introduce to the world what you and I found out about many years ago. Rio is called A Cidade Maravilhosa for a reason…The Marvelous City, things will never be the same!

    2. Hi Robbie I am a chinese student learning in The University of Manchester in Uk. Thanks very much for you article about Brazil becomming a superpower because it greatly enlightened me about my presentation! Thanks!

    3. This is a very interesting article from a lay person about Brazil. My assumption is that you are not in an ivory tower analyzing economic and political data tu put forth your conclusion. If you are please forgive me.I do not know if the facts are accurate but it looks good on paper. One of the concerns would be whether the transition after the elections will be smooth, to my knowledge there are no indications to the contrary. Also, after Lula is gone whether the new lady in charge is going to follow his liberal in the outside but conservative in the inside economic policies. And of course there is always the assets which we are all very familiar with and has no place in this comment. Keep sharing your thougths.
      Miguel Angel

    4. I think this article is very realistic about the country. There is a lot of opportunities and good news about Brazil, but this good scenario coexists with the “old Brazil” of corruption and poverty.
      On the other hand, the situation is improving each year, and we can expect that the country will be developed in 2 decades…

    5. I would take issue with one point Rob makes here, because IF NOT for an extremely generous move by the U.S. gov’t in the 1970’s Brazil would be a 3rd world backwater this very day. Brazil was so far upside down in DEBT that their nations financial outlook was truly GRIM (don’t believe me look it up someplace there has to be info on it) owing hundred’s of millions of dollars in development loans to the United States that were completely forgiven, written OFF the books 100% in around ’78 or ’79.
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      Brazil has done some things right although Rob’s rosy description of Brazil is aimed at the ‘reasonably well to do’ here in the U.S., people who have the ready cash to travel and observe Brazil’s abundance first hand.

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      Then of course there is the ongoing HOT conflict in the streets of Rio de’Janeiro between the destitute and the Gov’t..
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      Brazil is a pretty place with lots of the good stuff, but I would point out that Brazil suffers from regular flooding NOT just an offhanded flood once in a while, plus I would add that Brazil recorded a 5.1 magnitude Earthquake a week prior to this most recent Christmas, Natural disasters?? Yeah. Oh, almost forgot LAST Spring here in the U.S., Brazil experienced a Hurricane Catarina and I admit they are rare for Brazil there is ONLY 30 years of recorded data to compare Brazil’s history of hurricanes to, so the jury is out on that portion of Brazil’s Natural disaster happenings.

    6. Interesting read. One thing I will note is that when I first visited Brazil way back in February 1990, the first thing that struck me was that even back then, alcohol made from sugar cane was already being used in many cars in Sao Paulo. They didn’t run as well as gasoline driven cars, but I was quite impressed nonetheless. That first trip was a glimpse into a Brazil with massive hyperinflation, a closed business society where imported items were not to be found, a very different place than when I returned for another visit in 1998.
      Regards from Los Angeles, CA

    7. Realistic? Positively not enough! at the days of franktic inflation there was a saying here that – Brazil was much bigger than its evils.
      Inflation is mostly gone but the evils persist. Most of them have roots elsewhere: evil capital return expectations from all over banks and groups abroad, evil exploring of labor and natural resources at all possible levels, evil destruction of flora & fauna aiming at nearly nothing positive, but cheer aimless destruction for immediate gain & profit; and the evils still go on with no end at sight.
      Most people worry about operational costs (custo Brasil) but seldom invest, so that this cost is curtailed.
      Traditional ways of doing certain operations still prevail, but people wish magic solutions, jumping up and burning phases (the french brûler étapes) in order to attain these immediate-return goals & continue the farse endlessly.
      This is not how it should be, and all Brazilians will pay dearly for it in the near future: just look at the nasty stance of its education; only now, many years pass’d, became object to some philosophy (mind you: philosophy !!! ) not of positive investing action.
      These guys in power here are surely unaware of the many ways the World balls run . . .
      Naïve, innocent, pure and silly, most of them.
      Or as we say: é uma brincadeirinha brasileira . . .
      (ask your Brazilian friends what does this mean)

    8. Not everything is made in Brasil. If you go to the store you will see that many of the good are made in China.

      Cars are not so affordable due to the very (42% and up) high taxes. Yes, most of the cars are made in Brasil, but the Chinese are now selling cars in the big cities. They are cheaper, come with a 3 year vs 1 year warranty and come complete as everything made in Brasil requires you pay extra for it (heat, ac, stereo,airbags, etc.).

      The government runs a surplus because the country has the highest taxes in the world and the government keeps finding new reasons to raise them a bit more. It’s expensive to support such a large amount of corruption and socialism.

      I’ve lived in Brasil for over 6 years now and I agree, it’s not perfect. It is better than the chaos that reigns in the US now.

    9. On paper brazil looks good.  The people are also lazy the people who work the hardest get paid nothing and are terrible with people in a professional environment. Its a very dirty place and outsiders will always look at it that way. Everyone is corrupt and it is dangerous everywhere. The only thing brazil has going for it is the amazon and they are destroying that too. Everyone here is in debit up to there eyes because a pair of shoes cost over 400 reais. Good luck. People make the difference and brazil doesn’t have them. Everyone here is busy on their facebooks or their orkuts. Even in government offices. 

    10. America has federal deposit insurance. Is there a brasilian equivelant? I have been considering brasil for several years. The information contained in the article is exactly what I was looking for. The more detailed the better. USA is grossing me out. Both parties are extreamly corrupt, nobody tells the truth. Mass media is bias in favor of the baby murdering democrates, so all the news is warped in favor of wrong doing. This is so depressing I am looking at canada and brasil. Thanks for listening. God Bless

    11. Sean provost:

      YOU DON’T KNOW NONE ABOUT BRAZIL. I’VE BEEN THERE THREE TIMES, AND I FIND OUT THAT THEY WILL SOON OVERTAKE US.

    12. I do not drop a comment, however I read a ton of remarks here Rob Chengs Blog 10 Reasons Why Brazil Will Become
      A World Super Power. I do have 2 questions
      for you if you tend not to mind. Is it simply me or does it appear like a
      few of the comments appear like they are left by brain dead folks?
      😛 And, if you are writing on other places, I would like to keep up
      with you. Would you make a list of every one of all your public sites like your linkedin profile,
      Facebook page or twitter feed?

    13. I too do believe Brazil COULD be one of the world’s top super powers. But Brazil has a LONG WAY to go yet. Just one major obstacle blocking Brazil’s path to greatness: its society. Brazil has a long history of corruption. There are a lot of good educated people who want change in Brazil, but there are also a lot of people in need of help.

    14. Yes, Brasil will certainly become (and already is) a super nation and power. I am 52 years old, am American but born in New Zealand (therefore not a true American since cannot be president of the US) and was raised and have lived in Brasil most of my life except for 6 years in the US. In all these years I have witnessed a huge transformations in this beautiful country – from a country with 4 car manufacturers to one of 21 car manufacturers, 10th in number of vehicles to now 3rd in number of vehicles (after the US and China) – read and kept up with all BRIC information and witnessed it – a country that had 10 million phones to now the 3rd in cell phones, …. You name it and you can bet Brasil produces it here !! It is not a “Manifest Destiny” country but a peace (paz) country which makes a lot more sense to me. No bullying !! There are some social problems (inequality) like there are in many countries and violence – most have to do with drugs etc. It is now the 6th world economy (after Us, China, Japan, Germany and France which it will soon surpass) and will become 4th one day soon according to the IMF, CIA and World Bank. “A rich country is a country with no poverty.” – The US is a rich country with 50 million poor people out of 300 million people !!!

    15. Hello Rob! I think it´s a very interesting article and I am really happy to see that you have generated a nice discussion with supporting and denying POVs. As a Brazillian I couldn´t agree more with your enthusiastic speech about how life can be wonderful here. Brazillian people really know how to live with joy and happiness and I really think that the country has a lot of potential to become a world super power. But the crucial point so we can get there is to be very concious about political aspects. The corruption that plagues the country is seen and felt everywhere. It´s really said to see how much we are charged in taxes while any public service is offered back to us. We have no access to public medical assitance, mass transportation service, safety or education. If we want to live well, we have to work a lot and pay twice for all of this. And when we take a look at Brazillian funds and taxes arrecadation collection it’s really weird, because there is a LOT of money there! And as you sais, every single day the news report a very big scandal and there is no punnishment for the responsibles for that. This thing that is happening on the “Mensalão” case is brand new and people have to demand that! Hard puninshment for corrupt politicians. I think if people go to the streets to shout for their rights (without violence of course), than Brazil can be a serious and well developed country in some years.

    16. The way things are going in Brazil, or have always gone in Brazil, it will NEVER be a developed country, let alone a superpower.
      In spite of all the natural resources, rare natural disasters, lots of fresh water, oil resources etc Brazil still lacks the basic ingredients that makes a developed country. No hard working work force, bad standard of education at grass-root levels as well as at higher levels, very high homicide & crime rates, and rampant corruption, will always let Brazil down. It goes in recession time & time again. Easy going lazy kind of life is deep rooted in Brazilian culture, Brazilians are not proud of anything other than football, and they only come together on a football game. Politicians themselves have no faith in the country, they want to make as much money as they can and before they’re caught they pack their bags and start living in some big house on Miami beach. Almost all the Brazilian rich want to send their kids to developed countries for studies and for them to get settled there permanently if possible.
      I have been living in Brazil for 3 years now, when I find something absurd and express my dissatisfaction, people say with a smile ‘Aqui é Brasil’, means this is Brazil so that’s how its supposed to work here. When people have this mentality then nobody can bring the change.
      All the samba & funk loving brown & black population is even more lazy, hates education, prone to drugs & crime and a burden to the country.
      English schools are opening like candy shops but still nobody speaks English, and those who does speak little bit, just suck at it.
      Honestly, its a simple human evolution, because of the life that Brazilians live, they’re getting more & more dumb with time.

    17. World power? Bwahahahah. World class joke is all this corrupt bunch of buffoons is.

    18. yes Brazil has some problems, but it will be for sure one of the world powers in future. we are living already in a multi polar world and this trend will continue and Brazil is already profiting from this….the power will disperse and Brazil will get it’s proportion….like whole latin america ( Mexico will also be much stronger in future plus other countries of latin america )

      Brazil has everything to be a really powerful country in the world, land mass, recources, food, big population, good people, beautiful culture, sunny weather, cultural friends. it’s already in the BRICS and the others will help out that it will become a super power. Brazil has also big potential because of big changes in humanity and social interests. humanity is changing and Brazils people will play a key role. yes economic is also important, but under fair conditions for all. often a supposed weakness is in reality a big plus and Brazil has that, like whole latin america.

      Brazil will definitly become a super power, believe me (:

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  • Brazil - Photos - Slide Show - Travel

    Mangaratiba, Brazil – A Beautiful Place

    Solange’s mother came to visit us and we decided to take a quick weekend vacation. Solange searched the map and found Mangaratiba. It is about 70 miles from Rio de Janeiro, but given the condition of the roads and the traffic, it takes between 2-3 hours to drive there. All that said, it was worth it. I have been all over the world, and I would put Mangaratiba up there with Yosemite National Park as one of the most beautiful places I have ever visited in my life.

    I decided to exercise like a mad man. On the first day, first I swam for an hour in the pool. Next, there is a beautiful natural swimming pool whose depth is about 20 feet deep. There you can swim or snorkel with the fishes. Although I did not have snorkel gear, I enjoyed immensely diving to the bottom and and exploring the ocean floor. After that, I went in the ocean and swam for about a half an hour. Later, just to be more insane, I ran about 3 miles on the treadmill on the hotel.

    On top of that, the kids had a great time, and Solange took most of the photos on my camera. It’s a great camera and Solange is becoming a great photographer.

    3 Comments on “Mangaratiba, Brazil – A Beautiful Place

    1. I want to surprise my boyfriend tomorrow by going to Magaratiba. Is it easy to find the place for snorkeling you described? Could you answer in case the mail reaches you in time to my Email?

      Krissi2007@gmail.com

      Beijos from Rio,

      Kristina

    2. Hello Kristina,

      It is very easy to find the place where the outdoor pool is located. We stayed in a hotel called Porto Real. Here is a link.
      http://www.portorealresort.com.br/

      If you stay at this hotel, it is walking distance to the pool. One thing. Bring your own snorkeling gear. There were many locals with snorkeling gear but we did not have any. They have those long styrofoam noodles to swim but no snorkeling gear for pay.

      Good luck and I hope you like it.

      Rob

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  • Brazil - Jesse - Photos - Rio de Janeiro - Slide Show - Teddy

    Playground in Recreio

    Last Sunday, Solange, Teddy, Jesse and I made the drive to Recreio to visit our friends Katia and Jason Elliott. Recreio is night and day different than the hustle and bustle of Rio and Lagoa. We went to a churrascaria close to their house that also had a small playground for children. The food was great and the kids had a great time playing together. I took a ton of photos with my new camera, mainly of the kids.

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  • Brazil - Financial Crisis

    Investing in Brazil

    The Fed announced two months ago that they would drop America’s key interest rate to .25% giving America the unique distinction of having the lowest interest rates in the world. In addition, although Congress is still wrangling, they will soon pass one of the largest spending bills in the history of the nation, wrapped up in a bow and called economic stimulus. Although, it sure smells like pork. These two events have one key thing in common – printing more money. In fact, the United States will begin printing money at an unprecedented rate, not just in the history of our nation, in the history of the world.

    Ultimately, I believe these policies will fail. Furthermore, their policies are designed to promote consumption and penalize savings. I refuse to fall into this trap. I believe that saving money is always prudent, and in these economic times, even more so. There in lies the dilemma. If I want to save money, where should I do that?

    Why Brazil?

    In the United States, it is a non starter. Option 1 is to leave my cash in the bank. The good news is that theoretically, one should never lose the principle. The only exception is if the bank goes bankrupt and one has more than $100,000 in the account. But on the other hand, the interest is very close to zero. Option 2 is to place the money in the stock market. I have now figured out that the stock market is NOT for financial security. It is a high risk place where lots of money can be made and also lost. The stock market is for high net worth individuals and not average investors saving towards retirement.

    There has to be a better place to invest one’s money. Which leads me to Brazil. Brazil has the highest interest rates in the world. Right now, Brazil is paying a little over 1% per month or slightly over 13% per year in interest. Just like the United States, the interest is paid monthly. I sold all of my stocks in May 2008, and now I have moved a good portion of those proceeds to Brazil. Here is the amazing thing. At 1%/month, the interest on my savings far exceeds my living expenses. In fact, even when my two children are in college, the interest will exceed our expenses.

    This is fantastic, but it is also ironic. When I left Gateway, I also had a pile of cash, but there was no true risk free way of gaining interest that would bear any meaningful fruit. The rest of this blog will focus on all the things that I have learned about investing in Brazil.

    I have two banks in Brazil, HSBC and Banco do Brasil. At this point, the primary bank is HSBC. My account is broken into three distinct pieces, checking, certificate of desposit, and investment funds. The investment funds are essentially a composite of the American definitions of money market funds and mutual funds. Note: to my knowledge, there are not a lot of brokerage firms such as Charles Schwabb and Lehman Brothers. Most of these type of transactions are handled through the banks.

    I set up two separate investment funds in HSBC. My instructions were that the funds be extremely conservative and at no time did I want to risk losing any principle. They identified two funds, but there was one big stipulation. The funds had a minimum investment of R$300,000 and R$500,000. In my case, this was not an issue, but I can see that these minimums might be an issue for others that want low risk investments.

    The fund operates just like a money market fund in the United States. I can get on line and immediately move money from the fund into my checking account. Unlike the United States, taxes are deducted immediately when the money moves from the fund to the checking account. Secondly, taxes are automatically deducted twice a year from the fund if no money is withdrawn.

    Taxes

    The tax rates in Brazil are substantially less than income taxes in the United States. Much closer to American capital gains taxes. The maximum tax rate for interest is 22.5%, and the minimum is 15%. The rates slides the longer the money is left in the fund. The first six months are taxed at 22.5% and after two years, the rates falls to 15%. This is amazing! The Brazilian tax code encourages people to save money, which is 180 degrees from the United States, where the goal is to spend it as fast as you make it. I also confirmed that the Brazilian income tax rate is roughly half American taxes, but that is for another day.

    My second account is the certificate of deposit. The CDB (the Brazil acronym for CD) is different than the American version. The American version is a promise to keep the money in the bank for a fixed period of time. The CDB can be withdrawn at any point and any time. In this way, it behaves almost identically to the fund. The only caveat is that it is a little more difficult. I have to call the bank to transfer the funds to my checking account, rather than doing an online transfer.

    CDB has a huge tax benefit. Unlike funds where taxes are deducted twice a year, with CDB, taxes are only deducted when the money is moved to the checking account. This allows one to make compound interest over a space of years rather than a short 6 months. The interest rate on funds is slightly higher than the CDB, however, if you plan to keep the money in the account for years, the tax benefit could well outweigh the interest difference.

    So after a lot of work and worrying, I believe I have achieved one of my life’s goals. My interest income here in Brazil is such that I have an oustanding income without having to work ever again. It is hard to describe the feeling, but there is a certain tranquility. When I describe my experience to my many American friends, almost all of them still feel a hesitancy to invest in Brazil.

    To be honest, I felt the same way! If I had not slowly over the course over the last 5 years transferred safely so much money, I would never have felt comfortable making this happen. But there is a lot more than just experience driving my comfort level for investing in Brazil. Here are some of the many reasons why I think Brazil is a smart place to invest.

    High interest rates

    The Brazilian high interest rates is actually a reflection of an economic policy that is vastly different than the rest of the world. Back in the 1980’s, Brazil went through a period of hyper inflation which ultimately led to the collapse of their banking system and their currency. When talking to anyone in Brazil, everyone in the nation remembers this gloomy period in their history. Therefore, the Brazilian central bank is very cautious about inflation. The best way to keep inflation in check is to keep interest rates high.

    But more importantly, Brazil’s measure for inflation is as accurate as possible. It includes the costs of all goods and services in the economy. The American inflation number excludes the cost of energy and the cost of food!

    There is also a qualitative point. When I talk to my banker in Brazil, she is extremely knowledgeable about macroeconomics. In general, Brazilians are much more sensitive to macro economics perhaps due to the collapse in the 80’s.

    Currency Risk

    I personally have less currency risk than an American since I live in Brazil and have legitimate expenses in the local currency. But even throwing that out, I still think Brazil is a smart place to invest money.

    The first reason is the most overpowering. The US strategy to fight this economic crisis is to print money. Print money to lower interest rates. Print money to bail out distressed companies and banks. Print money to build bridges and new schools. And on and on. This strategy reeks of panic, and is very risky. Ultimately, this strategy is inflationary, and more over puts significant downward pressure on the dollar. To get an idea on the magnitude of the American printing press, check out this video of none other than Fox News.

    The next argument is the high interest rates offset currency losses. If you believe that the dollar will rise, then if that rise is not too significant, the interest rates will offset any losses. Here’s an example. With Brazilian interest rates where they are, your money will double in a little less than 5 years. The dollar is currently at R$2.30. The dollar would have to rise to R$4.6 to stay out of the black.

    How did I do it?

    I have investigated a lot of things, and it was not easy. It is not easy to move money from the United States to Brazil. For example, if an American wanted to own Euro’s, they could setup a foreign exchange account and buy and sell to their heart’s content. Not on the Brazilian real.

    The only way to do this is to setup a Brazilian bank account. The key is to have a visa that is anything other than a tourist visa. Right now, I have permanent residence since I am married to a Brazilian woman. Other options are to get an investment visa, student visa, or work visa.

    It is unclear to me why Brazil makes it so difficult for foreigners to invest in their nation. I believe that if they open up these regulations that the economy would boom. A friend of mine was saying that the key success is to catch a trend on the way up before too many people know. That’s where I believe we are on the curve right now.

    I have been talking to various people in the financial industry. I believe there is a way for a mutual fund or perhaps a hedge fund to create a low risk way for Americans to participate in the high Brazilian interest rates. I’ll keep everyone posted as those discussions progress.

    If you have any comments or questions, leave them below.

    37 Comments on “Investing in Brazil

    1. Great analysis, Rob. Having been a victim of Brasil’s tight banking regulation policies, I’d like to see some loosening of them. I’d drop a few hundred thousand into accounts there in a nanosecond. I no longer have any faith in US banks or investment houses, and the government will screw up this stimulus package, between the Dems loading it with pork and the Repubs packing it with tax breaks for their friends. It’s looking a lot like sausage…

    2. Rob, I wonder if Brazil making difficult for foreigners to transfer money to Brazil is someway connected to the crash of 1997, which happened because of speculative capital. I mean, if any foreigner could transfer money to Brazil, then in the case of any “rumour” (and these rumours are usually more frightening if your money is invested in “a third world country”) withdraw that money, wouldnt that lead to a crash?

      I have no clue if its the same situation, but I just remembered that. Since it seems you have a good knowledge of economics, you might analize it, since you mentioned the 80 crysis but didnt mentioned the 1997 crash.

      Thank you.

      ps: as soon as I win the lottery, I will also invest the money and live from the interest rate 😉

    3. Interest rates in South Africa are similar to those in Brazil and, like Brazil, South Africa has been much less affected by the global economic crisis than the US or Europe. For example, until a few months ago ABSA bank in South Africa used to have about one tenth the market capitalisation of Barclays bank in the UK – now, post the melt-down, they are almost exactly equal in size. So it is worth considering opening an investment account at a South African bank. I think (although I’m not sure) there are fewer restrictions on foreign investors than in Brazil, plus everybody speaks English – which can be a difficulty in Brazil if you don’t speak Portuguese.

    4. Thanks to coordinated quantitative easing (i.e., debt monetization), ALL currencies will lose substantial purchasing power over the next decade or two. The only way to protect your wealth is to:

      1. Run a business that can maintain pricing power during periods of high inflation.

      2. Own ag real-estate (farmland) that is not likely to be subjected to large increases in the rate of property taxes.

      3. Buy as much physical gold & silver as you can get your hands on.

      Also, it wouldn’t hurt to keep 6-9 months of canned food, beans ‘n rice, and any other storable essentials in case the supply chain breaks down for a sustained period of time.

    5. Rob —

      I’d love to hear how you were able to move large sums of money to Brazil. I know wire transfers are possible (and Western Union, etc) but it’s clear you have done your homework, so I wonder if you came up with a smarter way of transferring the money. I am currently wiring $10K per month to Brazil, and getting a good currency rate, until the Brazilian bank converts the USD to Reales.

      Thanks

    6. Chris,

      Here is the way I moved the money. In 2003, I setup a banking account to purchase my apartment. At that time, I think there was a loop hole in the law, and I was able to setup my Banco do Brasil account without a permanent residence visa. I just needed to have my birth certificate and my CPF number which is the same as a social security number in the US.

      Once the bank account was setup then I just wired the money from my US account to the Brazilian account. There is like a 1% wire fee, but that is small given the interest rates. You make that up in a month.

      But now the rules have changed and you must have a permanent residence visa to create a banking account. Fortunately, now I have that also since I am married to a Brazilian.

      Even if you are using Western Union to get the money into the country, you still need a bank to put it in to get Brazilian interest rates.

    7. I didn’t write clearly — sorry. My husband is Brazilian, so a Brazilian account is not the issue. I am finding that the US banks only wire money in dollars and the Brazilian banks are charging a high fee to convert dollars to reales, so I was just wondering if you had found a way to send in reales, or a way around these conversion costs. I realize someone is going to make money off the transaction, but the costs are higher than it was sending Euros to Spain when I needed to do that.

      Thanks for your comments

    8. I have done this many times, and there are two issues:

      1. The wire fees. Both the sending and receiving bank have a fee. Here in Brazil, I have found the receiving fee to be about 1%, which is pretty high in my view.

      2. The exchange rate. They usually give you a hair cut on the exchange rate also. But that said, I usually try to time my transfer so I am getting as high an exchange rate as possible. I also have found that if you are transferring a large amount of money, they will give you a better rate than a smaller amount.

      If you have a Brazilian bank account, then you are in good shape. Some of the fees are high, but the sooner you do it the better, because then you can start earning 1%/month on your money for a certificate of deposit.

      As the economic crisis unfolds, Brazil will start lowering their interest rate as an economic stimulus. We will get less interest, but if you plan to move the money back out of Brazil (I do) then I will make it back on exchange rate since Brazil’s economy will most likely grow faster than the rest of the world, and so will their currency.

    9. hey rob, hows it going in brazil? i read your article in investing in brazil and i want to do the same. question: what is the maximun amount that a bank will allow u to invest in their accounts? trying to get big interest return

    10. i am from Brazil, my name is Augusto Ferreira and i want to help you guys with that, and also give you some opportunities to invest here.

      Best Regards

      Augusto Ferreira

    11. I have a question regarding wiring money to BR, do you have to pay taxes on that money? Another blog I read that the bank could hold your money for months until they check the money isn’t from ilegal sources.

    12. I have wired money to Brazil many times and have never had a delay. Some times, I must sign a paper that says the money is mine and not for some other person etc.

    13. Interesting perspective on this and I was wondering about “Investing in Brazil” of Bank account, Thanks for tackling this case study.

    14. hey r0b, h0ws it g0ing in brazil? i want t0 kn0w what the c0st 0f living is in brazil in br prices, if i am t0 live there. what is the max i can invest in a bank acct? i kn0w the inc0me 0f a brazilian is 465 reals m0nthly, what is the rent like?

    15. Hello Robert,

      You are asking a tough question. First off, if you want to look at cost of living in dollar terms, it is high. The reason is that the dollar is very weak against the Brazilian real. Most believe that it will get significantly weaker due to the policies after the economic melt down began.

      On top of that, here in Rio, costs are much higher than other parts of Brazil. I would say that Rio and São Paulo are the most expensive places in Brazil to live.

      Rents in Rio particularly in the areas near the beaches are pretty pricey, although you can get a very nice apartment for probably about R$3000/month, which is about $1800/month at today’s exchange rates.

      On the other hand, certain things cost a lot less. Clothing, food and furniture cost significantly less than the US.

      Hope this helps.

    16. Hey Rob,

      Im from Brazil living in Canada for the pass 15 years…and always new Brazil is one the best places to have a good return on your investiment.
      As of now Im trying to figure out the best way to transfer money without lossing too much on exchange rates and bank fees etc…For all of you out there wondering…right now real state is the best investiment with 100% return. Feel free to ask questions at frends31@hotmail.com

    17. Hi Rob,

      I just found your blog and I am so impressed that your comments have continued on this post all year! I’m an entrepreneur and I’ve started my company in Brazil, an electric vehicle company. If any of your fans are interested in putting their money this is another means–invest in start up in Brazil–it’s got its own set of risks but the hassles it may be more rewarding. 🙂
      Cheers, Melissa

    18. Great blog Rob, and am hoping you can assist me.
      I regularly come and go from Brazil, as a “tourist”, and I have a house in SP and wife is Paulista. I have a CPF and am going for RNE tomorrow. After two wasted meetings with Estillo (BdB) have found great bank manager is Sao Paulo who will open a bank account for me so I can invest (CDI likely). Am here for around 4-6 weeks per year.
      So my question:- what is the trigger that would make me liable for my tax in Brasil on my worldwide income? Is it living here >180 days per year, or merely having a CPF (registered as a foreigner)? The rates of return are great, but if I am taxed on my other income it would be a nightmare. What is the definition of a ‘resident’ for tax purposes?
      Any help would be appreciated. All the best, b.

    19. Hi Barney,
      All of your interest is automatically taxed in Brazil. You don’t have to do anything. When you withdraw the money, it is deducted. Also, the tax is deducted if not withdrawn every 6 months. There is one exception which is the CDI and tax is only deducted when you withdraw.

      I don’t think there is a trigger that makes you liable. In fact, it is the opposite. If you wanted to only pay your taxes in Brazil and not in the US, then you would have to renounce your citizenship. Keep in mind that it if you revoke your citizenship, then it is permanent.

      Here’s a link.

      http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

    20. Thanks Rob. I would be happy to pay the taxes on the interest earned; it still yields much more than I get from my Canadian bank where I have money on CD.
      Im British, and live (domiciled) in a tax free jurisdiction so do not have any tax obligations to any Country (thankfully). Went to Fed Police in SP this week and they told me that I can get my RNE as soon as I return to Brazil from UK with a Residency Visa (from Consulate in London), which I should get due to three years of marriage.
      Am still worried that at some point the Govt in Brasil may consider me a ‘resident’ for tax reasons and block my CPF effectively freezing any assets I hold in Brasil. Any ideas where I can get a definition of Residency in Brazil that would make me liable for tax on worldwide income?
      (Great pictures of your family on your site, you look really happy)
      All the best.

    21. thank you for posting this info. I’m investigating moving money from my accounts in the US to brazil. My wife is brazilian and we already have bank accounts there…. does the brazilian government take a piece on the transfer (large amount, not a couple hundred bucks)? or is the 1% fee pretty much the only fee or tax to move the money that you’re seeing? thanks again for this super helpful info. I had read that the gov’t was taking 27.5%, but this was from a message board without alot of info…

    22. There is a small fee to wire the money. It is less than the amount that the exchange rate fluctuates so you don’t notice very much. Or sometimes, the rate fluctuates in your favor and you get slightly more than you anticipated with the fee included.

    23. Dear Rob,

      Would like to invest in CDI in Real with HSBC, a current premier customer. Residence of Ecuador. What is the deposit rate they are offering and the documentation required?

      Many thanks.

      alanlee

    24. The news that I am hearing is that the rate is going up. Because of the economic crisis, rates fell down to 9% in 2009. They are forecasting 11% or better for 2010. Brazil is poised to grow, but they are worried more about inflation now since this year is an election year here in Brazil.

      The documentation requirements have changed. In order to open a bank account in Brazil, you need a permanent residence card. You can either get this by investing in Brazil, retiring in Brazil, or marrying a Brazilian.

    25. Dear Rob,

      I am looking for info on how US residents could make the process of paying US taxes on investments in Brazil easier and / or more straightforward – I am referring to CDs, interest, stock dividends (“dividendos” and “juros sobre capital proprio”), etc.

      Thanks,

      Worley

    26. Rob,

      I am not sure my first e-mail got through. I am worried about all these investments in Brazil and the tax liabilities in the US. Are people using the IRS form 1116 to claim taxes paid in Brazil as a legal tool to reduce their tax liabilities in the US ? If not what should be the best way considering that the fact that Brazil and the US don’t have a tax treaty but, at the same time, any income in Brazil has to be reported in the US (this is valid for US citizens and US residents)?

      Thanks,

      Worley

    27. Be careful with all these investments in Brazil and the IRS. They are going to start actively reviewing the tax returns of Americans living down here.

    28. Rob,
      Great information. I am retiring next month (June 30, 2010) and moving to Saõ Paulo to marry a Brasilian professor/doctor who was my sweetheart as an exchange student in Nebraska many years ago. What is the best way to move most of my funds to Brasil and start collecting interest …I have enough funds in cash to meet the minimums you mentioned on investments at HDBC. My finance has her accounts at a federal bank through the USP university system. Do you know if I still am obligated to pay US taxes on the income from the Brasil banks if I live in Brasil for the majority of the year and am a Brasilian citizen? I plan to retain US citizenship also. Eventually we plan to move to northeast Brasil and maybe also spend some time in the US each year since I have family here. Also, I saw on the internet the short term Brasil government bonds (3 months to a year) are paying 12-14%. Can citizens buy these?

    29. If you fiancee already has an account, then you only need to wire the money from one bank to the other. First go to your wife’s Brazilian bank and get the wiring instructions, then go to your American bank and get their sending instructions. Normally, you will need to fill out a form on the American side.

      I have also kept my American citizenship. I also still have substantial income in the United States and continue to pay income tax. If you are going to 1) move to Brazil, 2) maintain your citizenship, and 3) discontinue paying American income tax, then there is a chance that you owe money on your interest in Brazil. You should check with an accountant. If this is the case, you are also eligible for an exemption where your first $80,000 of income is tax free.

    30. Hi all,

      First of all, thanks for the nice post’s Rob! I’m in the same situation as some of the people above, with the exception that I’m European. I’m married with a Brazilian which has a bank account. I’m currently applying for my Visa, so don’t have a RNE and thus bank account yet.

      I would like to transfer some monies to her account so we would be able to buy an apartment, car,… in short invest a little and prepare our life’s here. In short, could anyone inform me if it’s just as simple as wiring the money (around 60000$ the first time) and around 400000$ tot 500000$ in the second payment (I’m selling my apartment).

      I’ve seen a lot of posts where I read that the Banco Do Brazil will hold the money for some time – and in many times you have to prove that the money is yours. How do I do this? In this case I’ll be transferring the money from my account to her private account…

      Thanks !

    31. Hi Giovanni,

      I have two accounts with Banco do Brasil and HSBC. It is true that sometimes Banco do Brasil takes a little longer. I transfered funds last month to Banco do Brasil and it took a while. I believe it took 3 days. It is certainly a nervous process while you are waiting for the funds to hit your account.

      In both the case of HSBC and Banco do Brasil, you have to sign a form that basically states that the money is yours and what you will do with the money. That is, that you are going to purchase something for your personal use, as opposed to invest or purchase a business etc.

      On another note. I also opened up an American account with HSBC. The reason is that my friends tell me that there is a way to link your American and Brazilian HSBC accounts. Once they are linked then you can transfer money between the two accounts in seconds, and without any fees.

    32. Question regarding personal bank account (HSBC premier – bulk of savings in CDI)Returning to UK April …. resident visa expires July .. undecided as to renewal @ which either close or put to sleep (23 months) Brazilian company (company account Caixa Economica in which minimal funds)… what is my status regarding HSBC account …. will they close the account if I do not renew visa?

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